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	<title>Comments on: Transit fares are a real bargain</title>
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		<title>By: Free Transit &#171; Stephen Rees&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-11400</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Transit &#171; Stephen Rees&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did the people of Geneva . Though it was a bit of a surprise that Frank Buckholz thought our fares were a bargain. But this idea keeps coming [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] did the people of Geneva . Though it was a bit of a surprise that Frank Buckholz thought our fares were a bargain. But this idea keeps coming [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sungsu</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-9982</link>
		<dc:creator>Sungsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the current agreements expire, TransLink will be in a position to raise the rates, and it will be up to the institutions how much they want to subsidize the passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the current agreements expire, TransLink will be in a position to raise the rates, and it will be up to the institutions how much they want to subsidize the passes.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-9980</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFU and UBC gained a lot in terms of land not needed for future parking. I think they could have paid Translink more - or offered to share in the bounty of future development as a way to offset increased costs. As things stand now other transit users and all tax payers are picking up the the bill for UPass. 

The students at VCC and Emily Carr are arguing for &quot;fairness&quot; - but I am not convinced we can afford it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFU and UBC gained a lot in terms of land not needed for future parking. I think they could have paid Translink more &#8211; or offered to share in the bounty of future development as a way to offset increased costs. As things stand now other transit users and all tax payers are picking up the the bill for UPass. </p>
<p>The students at VCC and Emily Carr are arguing for &#8220;fairness&#8221; &#8211; but I am not convinced we can afford it!</p>
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		<title>By: Sungsu</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-9979</link>
		<dc:creator>Sungsu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, if transit ridership is already high, the costs to the system will be less as well, and we&#039;ll have less of a &quot;PassU&quot; fiasco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, if transit ridership is already high, the costs to the system will be less as well, and we&#8217;ll have less of a &#8220;PassU&#8221; fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-9974</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I told CBC this afternoon, UPass is too good a deal to be extended widely. VCC and Emily Carr want the same deal. But many more students use transit already at those schools - so a &quot;revenue neutral&quot; deal would not produce the same price that UBC and SFU pay. On the other hand, giving a school which already has a high transit ridership a break on the fares makes no sense since there is little more to be gained in ridership.

Everyone wants a deal - why do students go to the front of the line? Why not the low paid, or seniors, or people with disabilities? Custom transit has been underfunded ever since it started and demographics alone show much greater need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I told CBC this afternoon, UPass is too good a deal to be extended widely. VCC and Emily Carr want the same deal. But many more students use transit already at those schools &#8211; so a &#8220;revenue neutral&#8221; deal would not produce the same price that UBC and SFU pay. On the other hand, giving a school which already has a high transit ridership a break on the fares makes no sense since there is little more to be gained in ridership.</p>
<p>Everyone wants a deal &#8211; why do students go to the front of the line? Why not the low paid, or seniors, or people with disabilities? Custom transit has been underfunded ever since it started and demographics alone show much greater need.</p>
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		<title>By: Raul</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-9964</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *heart* my U-Pass!</description>
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		<title>By: Erika Rathje</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-9961</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rathje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad bought FareSavers and uses them maybe once every couple of months. Talk about part time! He bikes otherwise.

Manipulating data seems to be common out here.

Don&#039;t even get me started on the UPass! My only consolation is that because I didn&#039;t have it, I saved money for the 7 months following graduation, riding on my FastTrax sticker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad bought FareSavers and uses them maybe once every couple of months. Talk about part time! He bikes otherwise.</p>
<p>Manipulating data seems to be common out here.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t even get me started on the UPass! My only consolation is that because I didn&#8217;t have it, I saved money for the 7 months following graduation, riding on my FastTrax sticker.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erika

The problem that I always had with the inflation argument was that the data was easy to manipulate. Inflation proceeds - if not steadily at least all the time at varying rates. But fares go up by 25c steps (supposedly because customers hate nickels and dimes) every two years or so. So one can pick the dates to show that either fares track inflation - or they are ahead or behind.

But for a real deal get a UPass!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erika</p>
<p>The problem that I always had with the inflation argument was that the data was easy to manipulate. Inflation proceeds &#8211; if not steadily at least all the time at varying rates. But fares go up by 25c steps (supposedly because customers hate nickels and dimes) every two years or so. So one can pick the dates to show that either fares track inflation &#8211; or they are ahead or behind.</p>
<p>But for a real deal get a UPass!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I always wonder why people don&#039;t buy more FareSavers.  They really are a great deal.  It&#039;s great for the part-time transit user.  $2.50 for 1-zone becomes $1.90.  That&#039;s a $0.60 saving with each trip.  For the 3-zone FareSaver, it&#039;s even better.  A $5.00 fare becomes $3.80 with the FareSaver.  Where can you save $1.20 on each trip like that.  

I always take transit when I can, especially if I&#039;m only travelling by myself.  Although I do admit I do use the car more than I probably should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I always wonder why people don&#8217;t buy more FareSavers.  They really are a great deal.  It&#8217;s great for the part-time transit user.  $2.50 for 1-zone becomes $1.90.  That&#8217;s a $0.60 saving with each trip.  For the 3-zone FareSaver, it&#8217;s even better.  A $5.00 fare becomes $3.80 with the FareSaver.  Where can you save $1.20 on each trip like that.  </p>
<p>I always take transit when I can, especially if I&#8217;m only travelling by myself.  Although I do admit I do use the car more than I probably should.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika Rathje</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/transit-fares-are-a-real-bargain/#comment-9956</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika Rathje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really gets me is people who think that driving is cheaper than taking transit, especially those who say that with the fare hike, it&#039;s &quot;too expensive&quot; to take transit and cheaper to take a car.

As far as the fare hike goes, I&#039;m not complaining too much because I use a transit pass (3-zone). However, I read that the increases in the last decade have been well more than inflation, while the justification behind the increases has insisted it&#039;s commesurate with it. Top that off with broken promises and you get some pretty angry people. But the author&#039;s revelations on how cheap the trips actually are for regular users are surprising! And he doesn&#039;t even include the Sunday bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really gets me is people who think that driving is cheaper than taking transit, especially those who say that with the fare hike, it&#8217;s &#8220;too expensive&#8221; to take transit and cheaper to take a car.</p>
<p>As far as the fare hike goes, I&#8217;m not complaining too much because I use a transit pass (3-zone). However, I read that the increases in the last decade have been well more than inflation, while the justification behind the increases has insisted it&#8217;s commesurate with it. Top that off with broken promises and you get some pretty angry people. But the author&#8217;s revelations on how cheap the trips actually are for regular users are surprising! And he doesn&#8217;t even include the Sunday bonus.</p>
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