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	<description>Thoughts about the relationships between transport and the urban area it serves</description>
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		<title>By: New Bike Lane in the Right Place &#171; Stephen Rees&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-11819</link>
		<dc:creator>New Bike Lane in the Right Place &#171; Stephen Rees&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a change - inside the line of parked cars but also separated from the sidewalk. As prescribed by Jan Gehl. There&#8217;s a picture of the usual, wrong, type on flckr and a link from there to a useful video  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a change &#8211; inside the line of parked cars but also separated from the sidewalk. As prescribed by Jan Gehl. There&#8217;s a picture of the usual, wrong, type on flckr and a link from there to a useful video  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Rolfsen</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-11027</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Rolfsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll screw it up, but I think the real opportunity for Richmond exists around the Garden City lands. Next time you pass by there, note the few new row-housing developments across the street along Garden City and Westminster. Now think of Central Park in Manhatten, which has rows of similar apartments sitting across the road on all sides. It takes some imagination, but you can envision what a great area this could become with a little planning. Giant treed park in the middle, a mix of row-housing and retail rising from the street on all sides, perhaps with bigger sidewalks in front to accommodate European-style restaurant patios, etc. It might take 30 years, but Richmond could get there if it wants to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll screw it up, but I think the real opportunity for Richmond exists around the Garden City lands. Next time you pass by there, note the few new row-housing developments across the street along Garden City and Westminster. Now think of Central Park in Manhatten, which has rows of similar apartments sitting across the road on all sides. It takes some imagination, but you can envision what a great area this could become with a little planning. Giant treed park in the middle, a mix of row-housing and retail rising from the street on all sides, perhaps with bigger sidewalks in front to accommodate European-style restaurant patios, etc. It might take 30 years, but Richmond could get there if it wants to.</p>
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		<title>By: Places without cars &#124; Vancouver Metblogs</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10959</link>
		<dc:creator>Places without cars &#124; Vancouver Metblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have started a flickr group just to collect images of such places. This was partly inspired by Jan Gehl&#8217;s recent lecture in Richmond. He is the Copenhagen based architect who early on in his career decided that it was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have started a flickr group just to collect images of such places. This was partly inspired by Jan Gehl&#8217;s recent lecture in Richmond. He is the Copenhagen based architect who early on in his career decided that it was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: No. 3 March &#171; Price Tags</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10634</link>
		<dc:creator>No. 3 March &#171; Price Tags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meantime, went to hear Copenhagen architect Jan Gehl in Richmond (Stephen Rees does a nice summary here).  And was surprised at the impact of the Canada Line guideway down No.3 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] meantime, went to hear Copenhagen architect Jan Gehl in Richmond (Stephen Rees does a nice summary here).  And was surprised at the impact of the Canada Line guideway down No.3 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10572</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 04:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there will be a tussle between tenants and landlords. Existing retail businesses are always worried about what happens to them if their customers can&#039;t get to them easily ( see Cambie Street posts &lt;i&gt;passim&lt;/i&gt;). But you are right, developers view the world differently. But usually the planners have to be fairly tough to make sure they get good public spaces out of a developer. It has certainly worked on the Vancouver waterfront, but maybe that reflects that city&#039;s unusual powers under the charter? And Richmond&#039;s record in getting park land in the centre has been pretty poor so far. And our parks are some of the few good quality public spaces we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there will be a tussle between tenants and landlords. Existing retail businesses are always worried about what happens to them if their customers can&#8217;t get to them easily ( see Cambie Street posts <i>passim</i>). But you are right, developers view the world differently. But usually the planners have to be fairly tough to make sure they get good public spaces out of a developer. It has certainly worked on the Vancouver waterfront, but maybe that reflects that city&#8217;s unusual powers under the charter? And Richmond&#8217;s record in getting park land in the centre has been pretty poor so far. And our parks are some of the few good quality public spaces we have.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10569</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the retailers can make money by developing their parking lots with infill, then they will listen.  A business case shouldn&#039;t be hard to develop with the advent of the rapid transit line.  I know Concert Properties bought up a lot of vacant land nearby the moment the line was approved and are building like crazy, so there are very high economic interests already present.  I also know that a development plan for the Lougheed Mall in Burnaby is just around the corner for the same reasons (both are located near M-line stations), as is Brentwood.  It seems that building rapid transit is a good way to stimulate the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the retailers can make money by developing their parking lots with infill, then they will listen.  A business case shouldn&#8217;t be hard to develop with the advent of the rapid transit line.  I know Concert Properties bought up a lot of vacant land nearby the moment the line was approved and are building like crazy, so there are very high economic interests already present.  I also know that a development plan for the Lougheed Mall in Burnaby is just around the corner for the same reasons (both are located near M-line stations), as is Brentwood.  It seems that building rapid transit is a good way to stimulate the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10568</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last observation, Vancouver (and a few other cities) has placed emphasis on its waterfront pedestrian seawall system but not much on the sidewalks in the city&#039;s interior.  Yes we have 20 foot wide sections along some streets like Robson with very limited concrete finishes, but it pales next to the treatment on the Coal Harbour seawall and esplanade and parts of the seawall at False Creek North.

The idea that plain old sidewalk treatments could receive luxurious stone finishes and art has great appeal to me.  Budget is always a concern, but Robson, Granville, Georgia, Broadway and other high streets (in other cities too) deserve special treatment, and this can be accomplished a few blocks at a time with elements that the people can appreciate, like better benches for one.  I found it revealing that there was such a positive reaction to the replacement of bus shelters city wide with ones with a better design.  The streetscapes are so bland that any little thing seems to make a difference.

Further, to steal 2 metres from parking lanes to bump the sidewalk out into small occasional plazas is perfectly do-able, but they require better finishes than the current effort.  I would also suggest that small lots, or lot fragments, could be purchased to accomplish similar goals, like creating pocket parks, especially at transit stops and stations on primary roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last observation, Vancouver (and a few other cities) has placed emphasis on its waterfront pedestrian seawall system but not much on the sidewalks in the city&#8217;s interior.  Yes we have 20 foot wide sections along some streets like Robson with very limited concrete finishes, but it pales next to the treatment on the Coal Harbour seawall and esplanade and parts of the seawall at False Creek North.</p>
<p>The idea that plain old sidewalk treatments could receive luxurious stone finishes and art has great appeal to me.  Budget is always a concern, but Robson, Granville, Georgia, Broadway and other high streets (in other cities too) deserve special treatment, and this can be accomplished a few blocks at a time with elements that the people can appreciate, like better benches for one.  I found it revealing that there was such a positive reaction to the replacement of bus shelters city wide with ones with a better design.  The streetscapes are so bland that any little thing seems to make a difference.</p>
<p>Further, to steal 2 metres from parking lanes to bump the sidewalk out into small occasional plazas is perfectly do-able, but they require better finishes than the current effort.  I would also suggest that small lots, or lot fragments, could be purchased to accomplish similar goals, like creating pocket parks, especially at transit stops and stations on primary roads.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10567</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike the City series at SFU no-one seemed to be audio or video recording, which is a shame. I suspect that we are programmed to laugh when somebody says something even slightly amusing in a Danish accent. Probably a legacy of Victor Borge.

I don&#039;t see how you are going to get parking lots away from retailers or their landlords. And the so called &quot;centre&quot; of Richmond is so big I cannot ever see it become &quot;walkable&quot;. I am very hopeful that something good will happen along the River Road area eventually, and even the Oval seems to have the potential for creating a good riparian place. But the new BCIT &quot;campus&quot; seems to be actually hostile and indistinguishable from airport industrial. Access to the Middle Arm has been actively reduced on that side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike the City series at SFU no-one seemed to be audio or video recording, which is a shame. I suspect that we are programmed to laugh when somebody says something even slightly amusing in a Danish accent. Probably a legacy of Victor Borge.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how you are going to get parking lots away from retailers or their landlords. And the so called &#8220;centre&#8221; of Richmond is so big I cannot ever see it become &#8220;walkable&#8221;. I am very hopeful that something good will happen along the River Road area eventually, and even the Oval seems to have the potential for creating a good riparian place. But the new BCIT &#8220;campus&#8221; seems to be actually hostile and indistinguishable from airport industrial. Access to the Middle Arm has been actively reduced on that side.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10566</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen  - that was an amazing post.  I&#039;m glad someone is making a record of these important lectures.  I couldn&#039;t make it, and was disappointed. It&#039;s hard to think of anything else to contribute, other than spreading the 21st Century urban gospel.

Jan Gehl is becoming more well known in the world, which is a very good thing. Though I think that great buildings contribute to making great cities, the greater contribution is urban design.  I really like his P3s (public, people, places).

Richmond has poor soil conditions for towers above 12-15 stories, and there is some conjecture out there that even they are starting to sink into the very deep alluvial soils.  Also how they will react in an earthquake (the leaning towers of Richmond). 

According to Gehl, it is an advantage to focus not on height, but on what happens at street level, and he advocates high quality finishes and public art, things akin to &quot;exorbitant luxury&quot; to the engineers, completely ignoring the significant economic impact of creating beautiful streets teeming with people.

In that light, there&#039;s lots of potential in Richmond to consider the vast parking lots on No 3 Road (and others) as something other than ugly urban liabilities.  They are flat, in prime locations, and could be converted relatively easily to pedestrian plazas and street-oriented shops and cafes.  With rapid transit, council could entertain lowering its parking requirements in nearby new residentail developments and burying smaller parkades within the volume of buildings rather than hanging them off one end like a carbuncle (underground parking is not feasible).

I agree with everything recorded, and the above comments. It&#039;s appalling that few politicians are even remotely interested in the potential of their own cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen  &#8211; that was an amazing post.  I&#8217;m glad someone is making a record of these important lectures.  I couldn&#8217;t make it, and was disappointed. It&#8217;s hard to think of anything else to contribute, other than spreading the 21st Century urban gospel.</p>
<p>Jan Gehl is becoming more well known in the world, which is a very good thing. Though I think that great buildings contribute to making great cities, the greater contribution is urban design.  I really like his P3s (public, people, places).</p>
<p>Richmond has poor soil conditions for towers above 12-15 stories, and there is some conjecture out there that even they are starting to sink into the very deep alluvial soils.  Also how they will react in an earthquake (the leaning towers of Richmond). </p>
<p>According to Gehl, it is an advantage to focus not on height, but on what happens at street level, and he advocates high quality finishes and public art, things akin to &#8220;exorbitant luxury&#8221; to the engineers, completely ignoring the significant economic impact of creating beautiful streets teeming with people.</p>
<p>In that light, there&#8217;s lots of potential in Richmond to consider the vast parking lots on No 3 Road (and others) as something other than ugly urban liabilities.  They are flat, in prime locations, and could be converted relatively easily to pedestrian plazas and street-oriented shops and cafes.  With rapid transit, council could entertain lowering its parking requirements in nearby new residentail developments and burying smaller parkades within the volume of buildings rather than hanging them off one end like a carbuncle (underground parking is not feasible).</p>
<p>I agree with everything recorded, and the above comments. It&#8217;s appalling that few politicians are even remotely interested in the potential of their own cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rees</title>
		<link>http://stephenrees.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/placemaking/#comment-10565</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One issue that I have noted is that where street level retail has been required of large blocks, the stores either do not get tenants, or are used as offices with no &quot;street presence&quot;. The windows are blank and the door is locked. Most sidewalks are narrow, and unpleasant to walk along - and do not encourage lingering. And what Gehl and Co have shown is that streets that are just for getting through do not work well as urban spaces.

Lansdowne&#039;s major issue has always been the oversized parking lot that never fills, not even at Christmas. The fact that they could give up a chunk for a station shows that. It even served as a park and ride for the B line for a while. The owners bitterly resisted the City&#039;s wish to show a route north south through the site in one version of the transportation plan.

But since all the parking belongs to the owners of the land at all points - and drivers are chivvied from lot to lot by Rusty&#039;s towing - no one is going to walk far if they got to town by car. And for most Richmond residents, that will be how they chose to travel for a long time to come, I think.

Maybe No 3 will start to look better once the new road along the old  CP Van Horne sub is built</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One issue that I have noted is that where street level retail has been required of large blocks, the stores either do not get tenants, or are used as offices with no &#8220;street presence&#8221;. The windows are blank and the door is locked. Most sidewalks are narrow, and unpleasant to walk along &#8211; and do not encourage lingering. And what Gehl and Co have shown is that streets that are just for getting through do not work well as urban spaces.</p>
<p>Lansdowne&#8217;s major issue has always been the oversized parking lot that never fills, not even at Christmas. The fact that they could give up a chunk for a station shows that. It even served as a park and ride for the B line for a while. The owners bitterly resisted the City&#8217;s wish to show a route north south through the site in one version of the transportation plan.</p>
<p>But since all the parking belongs to the owners of the land at all points &#8211; and drivers are chivvied from lot to lot by Rusty&#8217;s towing &#8211; no one is going to walk far if they got to town by car. And for most Richmond residents, that will be how they chose to travel for a long time to come, I think.</p>
<p>Maybe No 3 will start to look better once the new road along the old  CP Van Horne sub is built</p>
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