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No cycling on the bike path

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This is Kits Beach “It’s between the parking lot path and the Boathouse restaurant, due west of the tennis courts” (Anthony Floyd). The picture was taken by me on Monday January 9, around lunch time – and posted to Twitter. In fact this entire post is crowd sourced from Tweetdeck.

In the summer there are signs on both sides of the concession building asking cyclists to dismount due to the heavy foot traffic between the beach, bathrooms, changing rooms, concession, first aid/lifeguard station, restaurant etc.

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This is a crop from the official bike route map of the City of Vancouver – and the picture was taken just to the right of the letter k in “Kitsilano Beach Park” (courtesy Jens van Bergmann)

This is like putting “no driving” between the road and parking lot. (Anthony Floyd)

“No cycling” sign on official bike path? Can we please get this sorted out (Jens van Bergmann) to the City and the Park Board

The City responded “Thanks guys! I’ve sent an inquiry over to Active Transportation team via case 8965477! ^BP” – and once we get a response that will be added here

Incidentally while I was sending the picture and caption to Instagram I saw someone cycle past the sign, blythely ignoring it. There is another sign like near the path to the beach and the Biennale’s chair exhibit.

And one comment might be worth noting from Instagram user Colin M Stein “Misquoting Jack Nicholson’s 1989 Joker: “This Park Board needs an enema.””

UPDATE

No Cycling sign

This is by the entrance to the Parking Lot of the Maritime Museum.

From Twitter on January 27

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Written by Stephen Rees

January 9, 2017 at 2:27 pm

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  1. There is no bike path where the sign is erected and the map is (purposely?) misleading:
    it also shows the bike path going thru Hadden park, what has been ruled out by a court injunction in 2013 …in a case, where the deceptive nature of the city bike map was also exposed to the court.

    However the city signage provides the right route for the seaside bikeway (thru the parking lot then Arbutus):

    (the sorry state of this affair is due first to the city council and VPB of the 2013 days to refuse to recognize the rule of law in regard to Hadden park, and secondly to refuse to seek compromises minimizing the damage inflicted to the parks (interesting to see some are still beating the dead horse)

    You can find more details at https://voony.wordpress.com/2014/02/19/cycling-or-not-on-hadden-park/

    Voony

    January 9, 2017 at 8:19 pm

  2. I did go to the City website and download the current bike map as a pdf – and that screen grab is indeed from the current version. As has been said in another thread here – the problem with bike maps is keeping them up to date. This one also does not have the Arbutus Greenway, but then neither does Google Maps!

    Stephen Rees

    January 10, 2017 at 1:31 pm

  3. The bike map is up to date when one reviews Vancouver Bylaw 2849, and in particular Schedule C, which shows paths through these parks (in addition to the bypass path on the street, shown in Voony’s post).

    Jeff Leigh

    January 15, 2017 at 10:24 pm

  4. In my post, I have included the relevant exert of the Vancouver bylaw 2849: it explicits reads “on street bicycle route” for the Hadden park section.

    The city bike map explicitly shows a bike map going thru Hadden park, what is against a court injunction the city choose to not challenge…So the city map is certainly incorrect…and probably purposefully deceptive, since it has been modified after the court case hearing, which could have been hard to ignore by the city, which otherwise have a nice disclaimer on the accuracy of the map…so that say all.

    Regarding bike maps:, Google is grossly inaccurate (it shows the north side of the kits pool as a bike path) openstreetmap is much more accurate (and at least shows “almost” the correct routing of the seaside bikepath thru Kits area…the Arbutus cycle track is not officially open as far as I know) and it has decent bike route algorithm (I have tested on my usual hilly route, and it presents the option I tend to favor)

    not sure why one would like tax payer $ to do what openstreet map is already doing well (and certainly better than the city in regard of map accuracy)?

    Voony

    January 16, 2017 at 9:55 am

  5. Better to use VanMap with current City data. It shows the correct paths through Kits Park, and is the source for the published public maps.

    Jeff Leigh

    January 16, 2017 at 11:48 pm

  6. VanMap also shows the Arbutus Greenway as a project in process.

    Jeff Leigh

    January 17, 2017 at 12:46 am

  7. Here is a clip of the VanMap view of the park. Local Street Bikeways are shown in purple, Protected Bikeways are shown in green. Note that the section through the parking lot (showing as a street) appears to align with where the rail ROW used to be. VanMap uses the City’s Open Data Catalogue, and so is up to date. Updates can be as often as daily. See the link to Data Currency in VanMap. It is the source for things such as the printed bike maps. Worth noting that other applications such as Google Maps, and Open Street Map can interpret the official data differently, and so can include pedestrian paths (as Voony noted for Google Maps) or sometimes leave off bike routes, if they don’t correctly translate the four categories of bike routes that VanMap uses. I appreciate that our tax dollars are being used to maintain one safe source of geographic data.

    Anyone wanting to create this or similar views can access VanMap at

    http://vanmapp.vancouver.ca/pubvanmap_net/default.aspx

    Jeff Leigh

    January 18, 2017 at 10:50 pm

  8. So we are back to where we started: the bike path shown in green on VanMap has now got No Cycling notices on it.

    Stephen Rees

    January 19, 2017 at 10:46 am

  9. Exactly. Park Board Commissioners have been asked what they know about it. First response was that they would ask staff what was happening. No further response yet.

    Jeff Leigh

    January 20, 2017 at 11:14 am

  10. Signs reported to be down now.

    Jeff Leigh

    January 27, 2017 at 5:15 pm


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